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babydraco ([info]babydraco) wrote,
@ 2008-08-24 14:00:00

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Entry tags:narnia

So, I've tried being into RPF but for the most part, even though it doesn't offend me I've sort of fallen out of the habit. I am usually into a specific period/group of people which is not the current trendy one so there wasn't much point if no one else cared.

Anyway, now that I'm in the Narnia fandom too, Skandar/Will is getting hard to ignore. And unlike that other group of pairings I like, this one is pretty popular. And I'm starting to think the writers might be on to something.



Believe it or not, normally, I don’t jump to such conclusions unless the evidence is overwhelming.

When I used to write David Bowie/Lou Reed, I did so because it was hard to ignore.

1) Both men claimed to be bisexual.
2) Both men claimed to have slept with men.
3) Backed up by other men claiming to have slept with them.
4) One wrote a song in which he heavily implies he has slept with the other.
5) Someone made a movie in which it is claimed that their fictional avatars had an affair and no one was the slightest bit surprised by it. And of all the things that happened in the movie that both guys denied happened in real life, they never said anything about *that*.
6) There are real life pictures of them kissing on the lips.

So I usually need Ben Affleck/Matt Damon, or Lindsay Lohan/Samantha Ronson or Britney/Madonna levels of evidence before I get behind an RPS pairing for serious.

Seems like Will/Skandar is approaching that. I’m not going to be tin hattish about it because there are alternate explanations for a lot of it and I'm not a shipper exactly, I just think it makes sense but I will say that if they come out as a couple any time in the future, or if a future biography admits there was something going on, I won’t be the slightest bit surprised.

1) We’re all pretty sure Will is gay or bi. He did have a girlfriend for awhile but he may have only just begun to discover that he’s gay or bi.

The Evidence So Far: The scarves. His taste in clothing in general. Admitting he’d quite like to collect vintage teapots. Constantly touching Ben "Dorian Gray" Barnes during interviews. He lived on Christopher Street (one of America’s Gayest Streets) while undergoing his boxing training (and a reporter says to him during an interview “that sounds so butch” as if he and the reporter are sharing some inside joke). While he was living there, he attended the book release party for Perry Moore’s (who is gay) book which happens to concern a gay subject.

And then there was the debacle with the British newspaper reporter who attempted to out him by quoting a tv interview in which Will is asked a question that led to a response that kinda…made him sound gay, and this article states that C.S Lewis might not approve of Will’s lifestyle and that if the Narnia movies were as phenomenally popular as the Harry Potter movies, Will might find himself the center of some negative attention. In the tv interview, when Will responds with the “gay” answer, Georgie looks at him as if he’s just spilled the beans about something they were told to keep quiet. No one from the films made any statements confirming or denying it.

2) Skandar reports that during the initial read throughs of the Wardrobe script, he kept getting nervous because Will was always staring at him (if this sounds creepy, remember Will was quite a bit younger at the start too and Skandar was older than Edmund).
3) The thing with the shirts and the way they argue like an old married couple.
4) The Bungy Jumping Story. It sounds exactly like a first date scenario. I mean, if you were going to film a movie about the making of the Narnia movies and you wanted to throw in gay subtext between the two of them, The Bungy Jumping Story is exactly the kind of thing you’d make up. People would watch it and go “this is totally some kind of symbolic interpretation of them falling in love”.
5) Movie!Peter and Edmund look like they either want to date or are already doing it. I mean, the looks the characters keep exchanging. Their eyes just lock onto each other in a way that they don’t with anyone else. That level of intensity is NOT from the books and it comes across as a bit too intense for simply “close brothers who have been through some scary stuff together”. And since we can assume that the filmmakers are not trying to push incestuous subtext , it must be the two actors broadcasting their own attraction without realizing it. The bit at the end of PC where they’re almost holding hands is probably meant to refer to the fact that Edmund refuses to hold Peter’s hand at the start of the movie but still. Practically. Holding. Hands.

I can’t help thinking of what Cuaron said of the “pollinating” going on during the filming of “Prisoner of Azkaban”.

There are other explanations, of course.

1) Will is gay/bi but doesn’t realize it.
2) Will is straight but both weirder and more naïve than we realized and doesn’t understand how gay he seems. He went to Moore’s party to be polite, because he was the only cast member in NYC at the time. He paid for Skandar at the bungy jump because he thinks of him as a little brother. Etc, etc.
3) The actors are confused about the subtext they’re supposed to be playing and are actually less talented than we thought they were. Or we're all just reading way too much into everything.
4) Will has agreed to let people think he’s gay to throw them off the scent of something much worse. Although what that could be, I can't imagine.
5) The director and actors are all in on a scheme to play Edmund and Peter as gay lovers as some kind of subversive practical joke, thought up by someone who hates C.S Lewis. Another legacy of Father Hooper? Douglas Gresham harboring a secret thirst for revenge- all these years he’s been pretending he liked his stepfather when in reality he hated him and wants nothimg more than to see the Lewis estate go down in flames. Or maybe it was Phillip Pullman in the library with the candlestick.

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[info]venus_in_furs
2008-09-03 02:20 am UTC (link)
I miss our David and Lou. I wish we could get them back. Or new/old versions even.

Incidentally, did you hear that Lou and Laurie got married not long ago? Awww.

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[info]babydraco
2008-09-04 02:55 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. :) I like that she isn't someone fans feel like they have to hate, either. And I love that this has no effect whatsover on the other pairing too.

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[info]venus_in_furs
2008-09-09 10:23 pm UTC (link)
Yes! So romantic (inner Lou looks at me weirdly).

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[info]venus_in_furs
2008-09-03 02:22 am UTC (link)
Also, who's Skandar? I know who Will is... ;)

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[info]babydraco
2008-09-04 02:56 pm UTC (link)
The actor who plays Edmund.

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[info]venus_in_furs
2008-09-09 10:24 pm UTC (link)
*blushes* The only actors I can actually name from the movie (at this point) are Will and James MacAvoy (I just watched one of his other movies). Thank you :)

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[info]venus_in_furs
2008-09-03 03:00 am UTC (link)
Sorry for the comment spam but I had another couple of thoughts...

There's another RPF couple who are like that. They keep working together. They're contemporary. John Simm and Philip Glenister - best known for doing the British series Life On Mars (Bowie connection! :-D) and being slashy as all hell in character, but they've also been in like four or five other things over the years, and are really close friends. They have photo shoots that redefine the term slashy. I do not know why there isn't an RPF fandom (at least in the "everyone can see it" sense) around them. Philip isn't really super good looking (I actually think he's terribly attractive myself) but that alone shouldn't really put slashers off - it certainly doesn't in the FPF sense! But seriously, it would be an amazing pairing. You may have seen John as the Master in the last two episodes of Doctor Who series three, btw, after Sir Derek Jacobi played him. Oh my god *pause for worship of Sir Derek here* Sorry. Fangirl moment ;)

And the other thought I had - so I don't have to re-spam - is that I am thinking of starting an RPG myself. I'm just trying hard to think of a hook for it, actually. I don't want to do a kink club (aside from anything else, I remember the wank when Citadel started and just. No.) though there may be a club of that kind in the game, it wouldn't be the focus. Plus non kinky pups can then play more easily. I have an AU idea but I'd really rather not go there either (it's the escort agency - I may have mentioned it to you? With Mick Jagger as the owner, based on one of his movie roles?) as it's harder to do non-AU or make canon work though I suppose it might be workable. Anyway, the reason I'm telling you all this is, if I did, would you be at all interested in co-modding? And of course bringing our pups back. Just thought I'd drop the idea and see if you were at all interested :)

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[info]babydraco
2008-09-04 02:58 pm UTC (link)
have an AU idea but I'd really rather not go there either (it's the escort agency - I may have mentioned it to you? With Mick Jagger as the owner, based on one of his movie roles?)

Yeah, I remember :)

I'd be interested if it was really going to happen. And if I could resurrect my David muse, which I haven't tried to do for awhile.

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[info]venus_in_furs
2008-09-09 10:38 pm UTC (link)
I still completely want to do that - there'd be ways to have non AU pups. But I don't really want to do David/Lou there or at least not only there - I wouldn't mind it as a second option if I decided to do it but honestly I probably only have time for one.

So I'm kind of trying hard to think of a hook. The problem is, there needs to be a reason for people to be in approximately the same place and I'm having issues with that.

I did have another suggestion. Would you be at all interested in reconsidering Citadel? I did have another David writer but they gave him up a couple of months ago and we stopped writing together completely a while after that (no real drama - just diverging interests and her finding people she preferred to write with and yes I'm a tiny bit bitter about that I'll admit). But we pretty much ended up writing canonical David anyway as she wasn't a huge Bowie fan (at that point, she wanted to write more so much with me that she offered to) and didn't want to get into the AU (though we did keep him a little younger, but that's it). So in essence, David is canon David (except that he's still with Juli but that was never a huge problem, and they have solidified things somewhat as well). Lou is still AU but it's mostly the occasional memory lapse at this point and they're in an established relationship so honestly we could almost write using our own background as backstory in our heads and make it work. I do have David claimed as an NPC, so if you wanted we could do some test logs. It's only a suggestion and if you'd rather not, I do understand after it not working out the first time, but it's an option we could explore if you wanted to.

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